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Let’s Talk To Juliana

David Bondze-Mbir (DBM): Thank you for participating. What name would you want to go by? (It can be your real first name or any other name of your choosing)

Participant 164: My name is Juliana

DBM: Hi Juliana. How would you describe yourself?

Juliana: I am a full pie, and I give my all when in a committed relationship. I am however, unable to give my 100% to a man who chooses to go somewhere else for a piece of the same pie

DBM: How happy are you on a scale of 1 to 10?

Juliana: 6

DBM: What do you want to talk about?

Juliana: A moment in my life when I came close to being gravely hurt

DBM: Were you physically scathed?

Juliana: Yes. I was hospitalized for three weeks, two days.

DBM: When did this happen to you?

Juliana: Last year

DBM: What happened?

Juliana: I was on phone with my husband as always, after work. I had also gone to pick the children from school, and was driving to the house. We discussed my day and his, he said hello to the children, and I was to end the call so he put finishing touches to work-related things at the office before coming home. We said our goodbyes, and I think he just put his phone down, thinking I would end the call as I usually do. I was still on the phone when the woman lying next to him asked if we were done talking. For almost 15 minutes, I listened to my husband and two women in the same room, having sex. I didn’t know what happened to me next but I gained consciousness in a hospital bed.

DBM: How about the children?

Juliana: They sustained injuries but they’re fine.

DBM: And your husband?

Juliana: I’ve not spoken to him since September, last year.

DBM: Why not?

Juliana: I don’t know what to say to him. I’m informed that when the accident happened, and I was being rushed to the hospital, one of the eyewitnesses picked up my phone and my husband was shouting my name. He realized after the accident I was on the call all the while he was having sex.

DBM: Ha!

Juliana: He’s asked his family to beg for my forgiveness.

DBM: And?

Juliana: I’m not sure of the way forward right now

DBM: Why is that?

Juliana: Once a cheat, always will cheat

DBM: Hmmm!

Juliana: Where is the lie here?

DBM: People can change to do right by you, if they want to.

Juliana: He’s already broken that boundary in this scenario

DBM: People grow and learn every day to do better

Juliana: I know

DBM: How would you advise anyone coming into a shocking revelation or information, while driving?

Juliana: If it’s safe to do so, just pull over somewhere and turn off the engine. You will need that moment to carefully compose yourself.

DBM: How long have you been married?

Juliana: 7 years

DBM: How many children?

Juliana: 2, a boy and a girl.

DBM: Does your husband fully comprehend how much devastation he’s caused?

Juliana: I don’t think he does. For me, if a man is willing to cheat on me, then he’s willing to also lose me

DBM: Why do you think he cheated?

Juliana: That’s his question to answer, not mine.

DBM: I see

Juliana: I know he’s always fancied engaging in a threesome with me. I am not up to it, and so I think he’s been looking around for willing participants

DBM: Why are you not up to it?

Juliana: I feel like it’s an avenue to invite a third person into the marriage.

DBM: Three is a crowd?

Juliana: Three is a crowd!

DBM: Okay! Prior to the incident, how were things going between you two?

Juliana: I thought all was well. Do you believe a man has to have a reason to justify an affair?

DBM: No! We make the decision to be unfaithful.

Juliana: I agree. Trusting him again is impossible for me right now

DBM: I can understand

Juliana: His family wouldn’t let me rest. They want me to forgive and forget

DBM: But forgiveness should happen on your timeline and terms, not theirs

Juliana: They don’t get it

DBM: Do not be rushed.

Juliana: I am dwelling on what he did to me till I am ready to finally move on

DBM: What’s going through your mind now?

Juliana: I am not pained by the sex he was having; it’s the lies he made me believe – that, everything was perfect in our marriage. That’s what keeps making me feel worse about him. I am very offended by his actions

DBM: If you take offense to heart, you will be giving him and anyone else involved, power to offend you more

Juliana: Hmmm!

DBM: Do you know how long it’s been going on between them?

Juliana: No

DBM: Do you want to know?

Juliana: I don’t want to know. I feel like he’s gotten away for while now, living this double life

DBM: I get you

Juliana: Why would a Christian man want to engage in a threesome in the first place?

DBM: Have you asked him why he fancies such?

Juliana: I asked him once and he said it could spice our sex life

DBM: How was your sex life?

Juliana: I thought it was good

DBM: What was his opinion of it?

Juliana: Same thing; he believed we had a fun sex life

DBM: I see. Do you think your relationship with him can be repaired?

Juliana: No. I fear contracting a disease if I am to just sweep his actions under the rug

DBM: Well, some sexually transmitted diseases can last for the long haul if care is not taken.

Juliana: That’s my point. I would rather call it quit than hang around.

DBM: Is the health aspect of it the only reason why?

Juliana: I am willing to forgive him if he comes to ask me for forgiveness, but I don’t think I want to rebuild what he’s broken. David, you teach people how to treat you. If I take him back and pretend what he did didn’t impact our marriage, I am only encouraging him to next time conceal his cheating a bit better. I don’t want to be his case-study to other cheating men that, some women, and in this context, me, choose to stay with men even after their betrayal of trust.

DBM: Will your mind be at peace with this decision?

Juliana: Of course! My decision stops me from questioning my confidence. Whatever void he needed filled with his affair can be filled once I set him free. I cannot carry the burden of meeting a need in a man who does not respect me as his wife.

DBM: Did your husband meet all of your needs?

Juliana: My needs, as a wife, are non-negotiable: I need my husband to be honest with me. I need my husband to be faithful to me. My husband should be a man of integrity. Mind you, these are not my needs as a woman; these are not my wants. These are the needs of a wife

DBM: Participant 163, TP, left a question for you. ‘What is your understanding of Hebrews 13:4?’

Juliana: Hebrews 13:4 to my understanding is the repercussions of adultery: I am not supposed to give my husband my physical, intellectual and emotional intimacy after taking for granted the essence of our union. I am at liberty to refuse him my pie.

DBM: It’s your turn to leave a question behind for the next participant

Juliana: Whoever is next should evaluate my final decision

DBM: Thank you!

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COLOUR OF LOVE

David Bondze-Mbir (DBM): Thank you for participating. What name would you want to go by? (It can be your real first name or any other name you fancy)

Participant 10: Olive

DBM: Tell me anything about yourself

OLIVE: I am a quiet young lady who loves to bring out the best in people. I love with my all and abhor drama of all forms. I love and pursue peace in all my relationships.

DBM: How long have you been married?

OLIVE: It’s been 11years of matrimony.

DBM: What was your perfect ‘type’ of a man or woman? Did your husband or wife fit into your exact specifications?

OLIVE: Well, my ideal man is one that will love me for who I am, be content with me in my good, bad and the ugly. The perfect man for me didn’t have to be rich or poor but should have a vision and a clear plan for himself so I can correctly play my role as a help-mate suitable for him. Above all, I wanted my man to be someone who puts God first in everything, and was crazily kind to society’s less fortunate and vulnerable. My husband didn’t completely fit the specifications but I was willing to work with what I had.

DBM: So, how did you two meet?

OLIVE: We met at a mutual friend’s graduation ceremony and became friends. A few months later he proposed, and I accepted because I had heard a lot of great things about him, which led me into concluding that he fit about 60% of my criteria for an ideal man.

DBM: Do you consider your significant other as your best friend?

OLIVE: I actually hoped that we would grow to be the best of friends as the years came by since we really did not know each that intimately before marriage. Unfortunately, this desire of a friendship with my husband has not happened. I have tried several ways to help us build this but I have come to the conclusion that – that may not be what he desires of us, based on how he has received my efforts over the years.

DBM: When did you make him or her laugh the most? What happened?

OLIVE: I cannot really tell. It’s been so long since we made each other laugh. I can only remember a few years into the marriage when I was trimming his toenails in our backyard. A neighbor commented that he envied him because he has a good wife, and that made him laugh out loud.

DBM: At what point were you certain he or she was the one for you?

OLIVE: I have always had my doubts about him being the suitable person for me. Remember I accepted his proposal based on the testimony of mutual friends. When we kick-started the relationship, he said and did a lot stuff that made me doubt his authenticity as a Christian, and his love for me and all that. My spirit was always unsettled but I thought that I was being too judgmental about him because he was really a kind guy to society’s less fortunate and vulnerable. I went ahead with the marriage because I had given him and his parents my word. I also, hoped that whatever negative energy was all in my head, and that, with time I would come to know the real him that our friends testified to. Long story short, I still don’t know.

DBM: Do you still find your husband or wife physically attractive?

OLIVE: Only when he smiles or laughs. There is something about his eyes that melts my heart anytime he smiles.

DBM: In a deeper conversation with your spouse, do you listen just to completely understand or you listen simply to formulate your response?

OLIVE: I believe that 70% of the time I listen to understand what he is communicating, and will choose to either respond or not based on the understanding I gain. This approach has helped prevent a lot of unnecessary fights in the marriage because initially, I was listening to respond.

DBM: How is your significant other faring in the position as a husband or wife?

OLIVE: He is not doing very much in this position. Don’t get me wrong, he is a great guy to the children and his friends.

DBM: Which of your wedding vows means the world to you?

OLIVE: Every one word in the vow means the world to me. I believe these words: “to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness or in health, to love and to cherish till death do us part” were given to use for a purpose. After eleven years in this journey, I really want to choose but judging from what we have been through, I think each of them is a valuable to me.

DBM: What is the most fun you both have had in the relationship?

OLIVE: Taking walks in the evenings or just sitting outside enjoying the beauty of nature and chit chatting. We have taken a lot of trips to enjoy but I have fun when we do simple stuff.

DBM: Is the love for your husband or wife growing any stronger by the day?

OLIVE: The love for my husband has been dinging in the last eight years. I have put a wall around my heart because I don’t want to hurt again. I feel like my husband took the love that I gave him, trampled on it under his feet, picked it up, and threw it at me and said to me: “in your face, Olive!”

DBM: Do you trust your husband or wife?

OLIVE: No!

DBM: How much time do you spend on your husband or wife?

OLIVE: Not much. I am mostly fulfilling my wifely duties – cooking, cleaning, feeding the children, etc. When we are together, he is always having a great time with the friends on his phone. When I make the move to be with him, he often tells me that he is busy working on a project he brough home from work, or doing something that is more important than spending time with me. The excuses are plenty so, I have learnt to be my own cheerleader and spend time with me.

DBM: Emotionally, do you feel connected than before?

OLIVE: Not at all!

DBM: Do you feel secure in the marriage?

OLIVE: I don’t feel secure at all. I honestly do not know why I am still married on most days.

DBM: Where do you see you and your spouse in the next 10 years?

OLIVE: In the next 10 years if I am being honest, I see myself taking care of our children as a single mom and my husband married to his longest surviving side chick. However, my spirit tells me that things will be better in the next 10 years and we will have a strong marriage, laughing over his “sexcapades”.

DBM: What is your ideal sex life?

OLIVE: My ideal sex life is as many acts as we desire, as long as there is nothing biological hindering the act. Drop hints well ahead of the action, not like 5 minutes before. Of course, there are times that demand a quickie which I understand but that should not be the status quo. We should try new positions and all things that are permissible and beneficial for strengthening the marriage bond. Most importantly, I want to be shown that I am desirable not only for sex but for all things that pertain to marriage. This gesture honestly helps me give my all.

DBM: Rate your current sex life (out of 10)

OLIVE: 0.5/10.

DBM: What is your understanding of love?

OLIVE: My understanding of love is informed by 1 Corinthians 13: 4-8. “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.” I believe that love is a choice I make every day that I have breath to do what is outlined above.

DBM: Are you feeling loved in your marriage?

OLIVE: No! I feel like I am a “ceremonial wife” in my marriage.

DBM: Are you a good spouse?

OLIVE: I try my best to be a good spouse but my husband rarely compliments me on my efforts except, when his married friends draw his attention to my efforts when comparing me to their spouses.

DBM: Have you cheated on your husband or wife with another man or woman?

OLIVE: Yes, emotionally. Physically, I decided to experiment with cheating but could not carry it through because it was too much work to do. I was curious that for all the years that we have been married, my husband has been cheating with different shades of young ladies. I really wanted to know what was to be gained from that practice, but I could not carry it through. Dave, cheating is too much work and belittling!

DBM: Say something to your spouse from your heart:

OLIVE: Kwabena, after eleven years of journeying with you in marriage and all the blessings we have been blessed with, I am still baffled that you are not content with me and all we have. I am still with you because I believe you can change to be an excellent husband to me. Unfortunately, I am unsure how long I can keep this hope and faith alive. I want to love you wholly again like crazy, but I am afraid you will hurt me and take me for granted. Again, I don’t know what other sacrifice I must make to make this marriage work. Please help me help our marriage work. We can do it!

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